Comments on: Haiku Vs Syllable Part 1 http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/ Eric's insights on politics, technology, free software, photography and everything else Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1-alpha By: Eric Mesa http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46330 Eric Mesa Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:34:51 +0000 http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/#comment-46330 I think Haiku could eventually become extremely powerful as a desktop considering how amazing BeOS was when compared with the OSes of the time. Time will tell. For now it's just a toy I check out every few months. I think Haiku could eventually become extremely powerful as a desktop considering how amazing BeOS was when compared with the OSes of the time. Time will tell. For now it’s just a toy I check out every few months.

]]> By: Paul http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46294 Paul Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:09:39 +0000 http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/#comment-46294 Hi Eric Actually I only heard about BeOS/Haiku a couple of weeks ago (in LifeHacker, I think) and decided to have a look at Haiku. Despite having been in development for quite some time, it is still very limited. On the pther hand, of course, it is very very small (first one I tried was 100MB, but now I'm using the weekly super-pack which is about 500MB). Even so, its browsers FF and Opera are almost unusable (particularly Opera) so I'm using Links which is a text based browser but very fast. Haiku, in my view also suffers from not having a lively forum or good documentation. Nevertheless, I am interested to be involved in something that may well develop into a very useful new OS. However, I have to say that, from my perspective (and I know I'm using it as a VM), I don't see an awful lot very different or special here right now. But let's see how it develops. What's your view? Paul Hi Eric
Actually I only heard about BeOS/Haiku a couple of weeks ago (in LifeHacker, I think) and decided to have a look at Haiku.
Despite having been in development for quite some time, it is still very limited. On the pther hand, of course, it is very very small (first one I tried was 100MB, but now I’m using the weekly super-pack which is about 500MB).
Even so, its browsers FF and Opera are almost unusable (particularly Opera) so I’m using Links which is a text based browser but very fast.
Haiku, in my view also suffers from not having a lively forum or good documentation.
Nevertheless, I am interested to be involved in something that may well develop into a very useful new OS.
However, I have to say that, from my perspective (and I know I’m using it as a VM), I don’t see an awful lot very different or special here right now.
But let’s see how it develops.
What’s your view?
Paul

]]> By: Eric Mesa http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46253 Eric Mesa Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:00:25 +0000 http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/#comment-46253 That's what I figured. How are you enjoying Haiku? Do you currently run BeOS? That’s what I figured. How are you enjoying Haiku? Do you currently run BeOS?

]]> By: Paul http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46243 Paul Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:19:59 +0000 http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/#comment-46243 Thanks for the reply, Eric. Actually, this problem was relatively easy to fix (which is very often the case with seemingly insuperable difficulties). I just had to make sure that the Network setting for the VM was at Bridged rather than Nat. After that everything worked perfectly and I haven't looked back since. Paul Thanks for the reply, Eric.
Actually, this problem was relatively easy to fix (which is very often the case with seemingly insuperable difficulties).
I just had to make sure that the Network setting for the VM was at Bridged rather than Nat.
After that everything worked perfectly and I haven’t looked back since.
Paul

]]> By: Eric Mesa http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46174 Eric Mesa Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:41:24 +0000 http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/#comment-46174 I'd like to help you with that, but the Internet connections just worked for me. I’d like to help you with that, but the Internet connections just worked for me.

]]> By: Paul http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46155 Paul Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:52:41 +0000 http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/#comment-46155 Hi Eric I've been trying to get Haiku working as a VM in VMware Server for a few days. I found your blog post useful for this. However, although it works fine I just can't get an internet connection (I'm not worried there's no GUI browser, I'll use Links). I've been using this link (http://haiku.mlotz.ch/) to try for the internet connection but haven't got very far. This is my NIC (01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 22)) and there is a marvell_yukon something-or-other in /system/add-ons/kernel/bin However, I have no idea how to compile this into a workable network driver if this is what's required. Nevertheless, when I type "ifconfig" in a terminal I get this (among a lot of other stuff in addition to the "loop" section which is of no interest here): "/dev/net/ipr1000 ----------- ----------- up broadcast -----------" If I do "ifconfig /dev/net/ipr1000 down" the "up" goes from the ifconfig output. So that looks promising but pinging gives total packet loss. I would be grateful if you could point me to a guide to get me over this important obstacle. Many thanks and best wishes Paul Hi Eric
I’ve been trying to get Haiku working as a VM in VMware Server for a few days. I found your blog post useful for this.
However, although it works fine I just can’t get an internet connection (I’m not worried there’s no GUI browser, I’ll use Links).
I’ve been using this link (http://haiku.mlotz.ch/) to try for the internet connection but haven’t got very far.
This is my NIC (01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 22)) and there is a marvell_yukon something-or-other in /system/add-ons/kernel/bin
However, I have no idea how to compile this into a workable network driver if this is what’s required.
Nevertheless, when I type “ifconfig” in a terminal I get this (among a lot of other stuff in addition to the “loop” section which is of no interest here):
“/dev/net/ipr1000
———–
———–
up broadcast
———–”
If I do “ifconfig /dev/net/ipr1000 down” the “up” goes from the ifconfig output.
So that looks promising but pinging gives total packet loss.

I would be grateful if you could point me to a guide to get me over this important obstacle.
Many thanks and best wishes
Paul

]]> By: Eric Mesa http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-45209 Eric Mesa Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:20:15 +0000 http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/#comment-45209 A fair comment. I was merely looking at them from the point of view of a Linux user. Linux comes with everything you need already installed whereas Windows does not. So, sure there's a ton of freeware for BeOS/Haiku, but that also holds true for Windows. Of course, I was also trying to just look at two niche OSes. I know Haiku still has a ways to go, but I wanted to see where it is now and if it would be viable for everyday use. My conclusion - not quite yet, but getting there. A fair comment. I was merely looking at them from the point of view of a Linux user. Linux comes with everything you need already installed whereas Windows does not. So, sure there’s a ton of freeware for BeOS/Haiku, but that also holds true for Windows.

Of course, I was also trying to just look at two niche OSes. I know Haiku still has a ways to go, but I wanted to see where it is now and if it would be viable for everyday use. My conclusion – not quite yet, but getting there.

]]> By: Sogabe http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-45181 Sogabe Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:17:50 +0000 http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2008/01/11/haiku-vs-syllable-part-1/#comment-45181 One simple but fundamental observation about Haiku: The OS is still in development, and in a pre-alpha stage. The images available for download (both raw HDD and VMWare) are only for testing and debugging, not for end users. In other words, Haiku is not ready for end users, so reviewing it from an end user perspective is, well, perhaps a bit unfair. :) Because the available images are for testing/debugging purposes, they only include the base OS, which does not have any apps other than those needed for setup and a few demos. There is a lot of BeOS software that will run in Haiku (with different degrees of success), and most of it is available for download from bebits.com. One simple but fundamental observation about Haiku:

The OS is still in development, and in a pre-alpha stage. The images available for download (both raw HDD and VMWare) are only for testing and debugging, not for end users. In other words, Haiku is not ready for end users, so reviewing it from an end user perspective is, well, perhaps a bit unfair. :)

Because the available images are for testing/debugging purposes, they only include the base OS, which does not have any apps other than those needed for setup and a few demos. There is a lot of BeOS software that will run in Haiku (with different degrees of success), and most of it is available for download from bebits.com.

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